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Hi, I'm Rachel, wife of Gary and I joined here when Gary was dx in Jul 2004. Since becoming intolerant to Glivec, Gary has been taking Dasatanib. His PCR counts have remained static, just hovering below the 'top' line of the graph.

In October last year we decided to stop eating meat as Gary has seen a programme which explained how our bodies break meat down, and that this caused an increase in the blood acidity enabling cancer cells to thrive.

Since that time Gary's PCR count has dropped and today, the results of his PCR taken 3 months ago was that he is now touching the 'blue' line and almost in remission.

He told his Haematologist what he'd been doing and she said there is no scientific evidence that this should work. However, for us, the results speak for themselves. All his blood counts today were perfect, neutraphils, white cells, haemoglobion, platelets etc.

Just thought I'd share this with people as it's a little experiment we have done ourselves which has had excellent results xxx maybe give it s try, you've nothing to lose except meat.. :-)

Hi Rachel, thanks for your post. I know that keeping the PH value of blood more alkaline is an important issue in the world of alternative/natural medicine, and is why the advice to eat less meat is central to the idea that a diet based on plant based foods is healthier.

It would seem from Gary's personal experience that the belief that a diet which promotes a more alkaline state might have some real health benefits.

There is a lot of research out there- we just need to know where to look for it.

Best wishes to you both,
Sandy

I have to say I was skeptical but it seems to have had significant benefits for Gary. I'll keep posting on here as we carry on with it x

Hi Rachel, that's great news on the PCR result. I've also read about alkalising diets and find the prospect interesting. Because my wife is vegetarian my meat intake is pretty low, but I do eat salmon and prawns and cod a lot - I like my omegas! Did Gary cut fish and shell fish out too?

Good luck for even lower counts next time.

Chris

There was an interesting article in the Daily Mail this week (it does happen sometimes!) from Dr Sikora regarding diets and efficacy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2255445/Marchioness-Worcester-...
I still believe that regardless of medical opinions some things do help people and its great news for his results.
K

Might be worth taking a look at widipedia entry on alkaline diets.
Sandy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_diet

Proposed mechanism, effects, and evidence basis:

Advocates for alternative uses of an alkaline diet propose that since the normal pH of the blood is slightly alkaline, the goal of diet should be to mirror this by eating a diet that is alkaline producing as well. These advocates propose that diets high in acid producing elements will lead the body in general to become acidic, which can foster disease.[13][11] This proposed mechanism, in which the diet can significantly change the acidity of the blood, goes against "everything we know about the chemistry of the human body" and has been called a "myth" in a statement by the American Institute for Cancer Research.[15] Unlike the pH level in the urine, a selectively alkaline diet has not been shown to elicit a sustained change in blood pH levels, nor to provide the clinical benefits claimed by its proponents. Because of the body's natural regulatory mechanisms, which do not require a special diet to work, eating an alkaline diet can, at most, change the blood pH minimally and transiently.[16][13][11][15]

A similar proposal by those advocating this diet suggests that cancer grows in an acidic environment, and that a proper alkaline diet can change the environment of the body to treat cancer. This proposal ignores the fact that while cancer tissue does grow in acidic environment, it is the cancer that creates the acidity. The rapid growth of cancer cells creates the acidic environment; the acidic environment does not create cancer.[12] The proposal also neglects to recognize that it is "virtually impossible" to create a less acidic environment in the body.[15] "Extreme" dietary plans such as this diet have more risks than benefits for patients with cancer.[12]

Other proposed benefits from eating an alkaline diet are likewise not supported by scientific evidence. Although it has been proposed that this diet will increase "energy" or treat cardiovascular disease, there is no evidence to support these assertions.[13] A version of this diet has also been promoted by Robert O. Young as a method of weight loss in his book The pH Miracle. According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, portions of his diet such as the emphasis on eating green leafy vegetables and exercise would likely be healthy. However, the "obscure theory" on which his diet is based and the reliance on complicated fasting regimens and nutritional supplements means that this diet "is not a healthy way to lose weight."[14] It has also been proposed that acid causes rheumatoid arthritis and osteoarthritis, and that an alkaline diet can be used to treat these conditions. There is no evidence to support this proposal.[17]

Urinary and/or saliva testing for acidity has been proposed as a way to measure the body's acidity level and therefore the level of risk for diseases.[6] However, there is no correlation between the urinary pH measured in home "test kits" and the acidity of the body.[15]

Hi Chris, sorry for the late reply, I don't log on here very often! We both still eat fish but not a great deal of it to be honest, maybe once or twice a week. Gary found that oily fish in particular upset his stomach now, which they never did before?! It's a shame because he loved fresh tuna and swordfish! But he can live without it given his drop in counts. I'd also like to make clear that he's been on Dasatanib for over 4 years and has NEVER had results this good. They really have dropped from the 'top' line to the 'middle' line on the PCR graph in 12 months. We're very pleased.