I have just heard from NICE that the Multiple Technology Appraisal
for dasatinib and nilotinib for imatinib-intolerant CML will be further delayed. The FAD was due to be sent to consultees today and then published on the NICE website on June 17th but NICE have informed me that it will be delayed due to 'technical issues'' and that they do not have a replacement date as yet but will contact me when they have further information.
To me this is good news... the longer they delay the more I think there is a chance they will cancel the appraisal. I hope that is the case.. we shall see.
Sandy
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More delay on FAD
Cancel the appraisal Sandy? What exactly would that mean? Would it allow the continued prescribing of Dasatinib and Nilotinib on a permanent basis, or simply until the appraisal was resumed? Or does it mean that NICE might be waiting for the Government to move on these drugs?
Sorry for all the questions, but you have taken me by surprise on that one.
Hopefully good news - there seem to be so many holes in the ACD and the modelling used, and that with talk about cancer drugs funds and a new government in place make, me hopeful that this may end up being reconsidered. It should be. Who knows what else may be going on, too. Fingers crossed.
Hi Denis... not sure, I am just speculating, but all the delays might mean that they are re-considering their position on orphan drugs in general.
If they do decide to cancer any appraisal it would mean there would be no recommendation and we would be in the same position as we are now. Better than a negative FAD I think.
Best....
Sandy
For some time I have been lobbying my local MP over the availability of dasatinib and nilotinib and whilst in opposition she was very helpful in framing Parliamentary Questions to the previous government.She now holds a position in the current government as a junior Minister for Health -recently I asked her the following and this has been passed to the Ministry of Health and I still await a reply.
In short I asked-
1Is the Conservative Party policy on the availability of cancer drugs as stated prior to the election still on track as a coalition government policy?
2If so, then when will this policy become operative?
3Given that NICE is due very soon to pronounce on whether dasatinib and nilotinib be available under the NHS in England and should access be denied what instructions will the government give to PCTs such that patients already being prescribed these drugs be allowed to continue?
4If the new NICE guidance denies access to these drugs under the NHS what measures will government take regarding patients newly seeking access to these drugs such that they are not in a worse position than before?
5If the government intends to implement its new policy on cancer drugs at a specific point of time in the future what measures will it take to safeguard the needs of CML patients in the interim?
6Will the goverment continue to accept the perverse outcomes from NICE that conflicts with availability of life saving drugs to treat leukaemia in Scotland (as per guidance given by the Scottish Medicines Consortium) and many other European countries?
I will report back when I receive a reply
With best wishes
John W
My wife Gill sent an email to NICE, asking when we will hera about the FAD & revieved the following reply:
Thank you for contacting the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE).
The publication date for “Imatinib-intolerant chronic myeloid leukaemia - dasatinib and nilotinib” is listed as 23rd June. However, the publication date for this guidance is still to be confirmed, as the guidance has not yet completed all the necessary steps of the development process. You can read about the process here:
The last step which this guidance completed was step 9 - Appraisal consultation document (ACD) produced. You can follow the progress of this guidance at:
http://guidance.nice.org.uk/TA/Wave17/18
As soon as we are able, we will amend the expected publication date on the website.
Regards,
Kathleen Jackson-Heppell
We will wait & see.
Bob
Please see the content of my previous representation to my MP Anne Milton (now a Junior Minister of Health) -posted in this same thread earlier in the month.I sent an Email to Anne Milton on 8 June and it was forwarded to Department of Health for response and a letter dated 21 June was today received from Earl Howe as Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Quality as Minister responsible for this policy area and in particular responsible for NICE .
The responses are as follows(my summary)-
NICE has issued draft guidance that does not recommend the use of dasatinib and nilotinib for the treatment of CML and registered stakeholders had until 7 December 2009 to submit comments.NICE's Appraisal Committeei is considering the responses to the consultation and the Institute currently expects to issue its final guidance to the NHS later this year.
I am sure that your constituent (i.e.myself) will appreciate that it would not be appropriate for the Department of Health to intervene in an ongoing appraisal.As the constituent is aware there are several patient groups that are registered stakeholders in this appraisal and it is through these organisations that patients are advised to raise their concerns.
Where NICE guidance is not yet available for a treatment,the NHS Constitution gives patients a right to expect local funding decisions on the availability of drugs and treatmentsto be made rationally and on the basis of the available evidence.NHS organisations are also required to have processesin place for the consideration of exceptional caseseven where NICE has not recommended a particular drug or treatment.
The Government will set up a Cancer Drugs Fund as from April 2011 as an interim measure pending reform of the way drug companies are paid for NHS medicines.Money saved by the NHS will be used to help patients get the drugs their doctors recommend.The Government wants patients,clinicians and the wider NHS to input into the design of the Cancer Drugs Fund.
With regard to the constituents point about Englands system of drug appraisal in comparison with European countries,I (being Earl Howe) should point out that most European countries have health systems which are set up differently from the NHS and which are funded in different ways ,making it difficult to make meaningful comparisons. NHS matters relating to the domestic populations of Scotland are devolved. (I am not making politics here but ,I am not happy with this response as the current government used these comparisons as a plank when they were in opposition earlier this year)
The Earl Howe ,Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Quality(Lords),Department of Health,Richmond House,79 Whitehall,London SW1A 2NS
My view is that there has been government and political intervention to slow down the NICE process so that there is less time available for dispute and for them to be embarassed before the launch of the Cancer Drugs Fund next April-because for sure dasatinib and nilotinib must be candidates for inclusion in that? However the next challenge is to make sure these are included.
I suggest that we keep writing to MPs and to Earl Howe and it would be intersting to see if we get similar responses to mine and medium term we need to make inputs in to policy for the Cancer Drugs Fund.
Any views welcome but let us keep up the pressure
Best wishes to all
John
johnw1001
Thank you for this information John. I was at Kings yesterday, and still no answer from my PCT about funding to change to Dasatinib. This is after appeal from consultant and GP, who is on the PCT and didn't forsee any issues they could use to refuse.
Consultant wonders if the wait for NICE is holding them up.
In the meantime Nilotnib has given me a PCR of 0.000. Typical, the one drug that has given me difficult side effects is the one that works for me !!! It has taken me to glucose intolerance - and taken cholesterol up to high level. Oh and made my hair very very thin, but I can live with that quite easily.
Pennie.