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hello,

Sorry if this is somewhere easy to fine and I missed it.

sorry if this is somewhere easy to find and I missed it.

Can someone please list the levels of remission? 

I had found one online but I cannot find it anymore I don’t know why they make it so difficult. I know there are different levels of cytogenic remission and then there are different levels of molecular remission.

 

as a secondary question I would like to ask which level of remission makes you eligible to go off the drug Dasatinib (Sprycel), albeit with heavy monitoring.

Thank you

Ok, I found this: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/chronic-myeloid-leukemia/treating/is-treat...

My Dr told me I was in Cytogenic Remission. I just read their note from very same visit and it says MR4. Isn’t MR4 way better than Cytogenic Remission?
 

Thank you.

Hi Tedro

I'm no expert at this, but here's my attempt at a short answer to your question:

The levels of CML in one's body can be measured in terms of blood counts, bone marrow and then at the molecular level.  The very first thing that doctors look for in a responding patient is called complete haematological remission (CHR), which means that all blood counts return to normal.  Most of us are diagnosed with high white blood counts, often going hand in hand with low red counts and low or high platelets.  So CHR is when all these return to normal.

Cytogenic remission is the next important level and refers to how much CML can be detected in the bone marrow.  This level is also called CCyR by doctors and stands for Complete Cytogenic Response.  When you are in CCyR, it means that there is no leukaemia detected in the bone marrow.  However, since a bone marrow biopsy is a painful and invasive procedure, the doctors don't usually do a second one to test that there is no CML in the marrow - instead, they check what your BCR-Abl level is by performing a PCR test.  This is much less invasive than a bone marrow biopsy and, if this test shows less than 1%, this roughly corresponds to no leukaemia in the bone marrow.

The third step is molecular response, which is called MMR, MR4, MR4.5, etc.  This level is also tested by a PCR test on the blood.  The definitions are as follows:

MMR means that there is 0.1% or less BCR-Abl in the blood test.

MR4 means that there is 0.01% or less.

MR4.5 means that there is less than 0.0032%.

So you are right: MR4 is way better than cytogenic remission in terms of numbers, because CCyR is 1% and MR4 is 0.01% - in other words, someone who has responded to MR4 can be said to have 100 times less disease than someone who is "only" in CCyR.  However, all the articles I have read have said that CCyR is the "gold standard" of response and that that is the most important milestone to reach - there is no survival benefit in reaching lower levels, except that patients who stay in sustained levels of MR4 / MR4.5 might be able to stop the drugs.  CCyR remains a very good place to be!

If I've gotten anything wrong, I'm sure that someone will correct me, but I hope that this explanation helps.

Best wishes

Martin

Tedro,

apart from Martin's excellent explanation regarding levels of remission, you may also find it helpful to download our PCR booklet which is on our home page - link here  read pages 13 - 15. 

Sandy

Since I posted I have found some very pertinent information that cleared a lot of this up for me. And your explanation is right along those lines, very good.

since I posted I have found some very pertinent information that cleared a lot of this up for me. And your explanation is right along those lines, very good.

Thank you very much, Martin

Most excellent, Sandy. Thank you very much.

 

I willmost excellent, Sandy. Thank you very much.

 

I will post the information I found in a little bit. :)