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I've just been reading Des's posting about coming off Glivec - given the slight uncertainty associated with this I think it's a brave step to take.

My wife is in a similar position - been on Glivec since September 2003, had undectable pcr levels for a few years, but I think she's reluctant to consider this option, however, she is tolerating the drug quite well at present.

There must be a number of contributors to this site who have been taking Glivec for a good number of years. I think it would be of interest and encloragement to more recently diagnosed contributors to hear from those who have been on the drug for long periods.

As Des said in her posting, back in 2003, there was still poor prognosis for cml - Glivec had only been around a couple of years or so.
Now 6 years on, a good number of people are surviving the condition and responsing well to the drug.

Paul

I agree, Paul, that stopping Gleevec is a very brave step. I think there's only the French study that showed 50% of the patients relapsed. As well, that study only had 12 participants in it - so it certainly is not conclusive.

Yet, I read posts on other sites from people who dealt with CML pre-Gleevec. It seems that many have done nothing since their interferon tx. Some have ended up on Gleevec after many years of remission.

What I'm not certain about is whether, upon relapse, cml returns in a more aggressive form or whether the patient still has chronic cml that can be tx'd with Gleevec. I've heard it both ways.

I'm very interested in this issue as my son is only 11 y/o. It is indeed important to me to follow up on patients who discontue Gleevec. My son may well face that option one day.

Regards,
Tracey

Dear Tracey,

You can find details of the French study that you are referring to under the 'newswire'... scroll down to Dec.19.

I have copied part of the summary presented at ASH 2008 below Hope this clarifies some of the numbers etc.
Note that previous IFN treatment was not considered to be statistically relevant to the overall outcomes.
Also note that all patients who relapsed regained sensitivity and responded when IM was reintroduced.

There are other studies ongoing...

Sandy

Capsule Summary

CCO Independent Conference Coverage of the American Society of Hematology 2008 Annual Meeting*

*CCO is an independent medical education company that provides state-of-the-art medical information to healthcare professionals through conference coverage and other educational programs.
STIM Study Shows CML Complete Molecular Remission Possible to Maintain Following Imatinib Discontinuation

Posting Date: December 13, 2008

* Stop Imatinib (STIM) study: a prospective, multicenter study[1]

Summary of Key Conclusions

* Complete molecular remission maintained in a substantial proportion of individuals with CML following imatinib discontinuation, particularly those pretreated with interferon
o Trend toward greater likelihood of sustained molecular remission in interferon-treated group not statistically significant
o Authors conclude that imatinib discontinuation feasible following sustained complete molecular remission, even among patients treated with imatinib monotherapy
* Longer follow-up with larger number of patients needed to identify factors that influence durability of complete molecular remission

Background

* Imatinib
o Effective treatment for CML
o Treatment continues for indefinite time period
o Unclear whether imatinib can eliminate oncogenic CML clone, potentially allowing for discontinuation of treatment
* Pilot study assessed imatinib discontinuation in patients with CML[2]
o 15 patients in molecular remission for > 2 years on imatinib followed
o 7 patients had molecular relapse during median follow-up of 38 months
o 8 patients maintained complete molecular remission
+ Many of these patients treated with interferon prior to receipt of imatinib
o Median molecular relapse-free survival : 6 months
* Current study assessed persistence of complete molecular remission in a larger cohort of CML patients discontinuing imatinib

Summary of Study Design

* Patients enrolled at 22 centers in France beginning in July 2007
* Inclusion criteria
o ? 18 years of age
o Complete molecular remission for ? 2 years during imatinib treatment
o Molecular monitoring in accord with international guidelines
* Exclusion criteria
o Receipt of confounding treatment (corticosteroids, immunosuppressive therapy, chemotherapy, radiotherapy)
* Primary objective
o Persistence of complete molecular remission
* Secondary objectives
o Clinical and biological factors influencing persistence of complete molecular remission
o Duration of complete molecular remission
o Molecular relapse rate following 6 months of complete molecular remission without imatinib
o Economic effect of imatinib cessation
* Patients with molecular relapse, defined as positivity on quantitative real-time polymerase chain reaction, retreated with imatinib 400 mg/day
o Had to confirm molecular relapse at 2 consecutive assessments

Baseline Characteristics

* Total of 69 patients enrolled in study
* Baseline characteristics for 60 patients with > 1 month of follow-up data
o Median age: 62 years (range: 29-80)
o Female: 38 (63%)
o Previous treatment with interferon: 31 (52%)
o Median patient follow-up: 5 months (range: 1-16)

Main Findings

* Molecular relapse occurred in 28 patients (41%)
o Most cases of relapse observed during first 6 months off of imatinib
o 7 patients have reached Month 14 off of imatinib and have maintained complete molecular remission
+ 5 of these 7 patients received treatment with interferon prior to imatinib
o 1 patient has reached Month 16 off of imatinib without molecular relapse

* Among 27 patients who relapsed during first 6 months off of imatinib
o 13 received previous treatment with interferon
o 14 treated with imatinib only

* Overall, probability of maintaining complete molecular remission at Month 9 off of imatinib: 46% (95% CI: 32% to 59%)
o Probability slightly better for patients who received treatment with interferon before imatinib vs those who received imatinib de novo, but not statistically significant (P = .54)
+ Previous treatment with interferon before imatinib: 53% (95% CI: 33% to 69%)
+ De novo treatment with imatinib: 39% (95% CI: 20% to 58%)

* All patients with molecular relapse who reinitiated imatinib treatment still sensitive to imatinib rechallenge

References

1. Mahon FX, Huguet F, Guilhot F, et al. Is it possible to stop imatinib in patients with chronic myeloid leukemia? An update from a French pilot study and first results from the multicentre “Stop Imatinib” (STIM) study. Program and abstracts of the 50th American Society of Hematology Annual Meeting and Exposition; December 6-9, 2008; San Francisco, California. Abstract 187.

2. Rousselot P, Huguet F, Rea D, et al. Imatinib mesylate discontinuation in patients with chronic myelogenous leukemia in complete molecular remission for more than 2 years. Blood. 2007;109:58-60.

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Sandy

Ive been taking glivec since oct 03 ,i do have alot of side effects but i can live with it.My consultant was telling me back in november about people stopping the drug,but he didnt want me to ever consider what so ever.I think des is very brave and if it wasnt for people like him we would never know .I would personally be to scared to leave my 6 year old son behind so its defo a no go for me.
kathy

Hi Paul, glad to oblige.

Hope this will offer some encouragement to some of the newly daignosed patients.

I started on Glivec when it was in trial stage and was simply called by it's trial name - STI 571. That was in 2001? I've never been PCR undetectable, but I'm still PCR negative and steady as a rock counts wise. So, no need for panic, even if you haven't reached PCRU.

I went onto STI 571, after years of interferon and that was after an autologous stem cell transplant, - that failed. The CML came back immediately after that transplant.
The bit that might encourage newcomers is that I was diagnosed in 1994 - 15 years ago. There are people on this site that were diagnosed well before me.

I'm off for a blood test for PCR today before seeing my consultant (Dr Bell, Poole)in three weeks time. I have been PCR undetectable for about two years so I'm wondering if a Gleevec holiday might come up. He did mention it when I initially responded well but hasn't said anything since. I will probably bring it up anyway but I am a bit scared to change something that works. Fortunately the side effects in my case are tolerable and don't often interfere with my life.

If I do have a holiday, I am not sure that the improvement in health will be worth the constant monitoring and wondering and then, if I do relapse, the return to side effects might seem worse. On the other hand, it is probably a good thing to give one's liver a break.

Hopefully, by the time I see my consultant, this thread will have provided even more helpful information.

Hi John
Whilst its wonderfully tempting to think of a glivec holiday do make sure, if you choose that route, the consultant will constantly monitor you.

In my case I had just 10 days off Glivec after 3 years of taking it, and having a good response. Wham I lost my zero PCR and never got it back!

3 Years on I had become resistant as well as intolerant to Glivec (see my post re funding for Nilotinib)

It's a wonderful thought that we might be able to be drug free, and like us all I long for that day, but please do make sure you are really really well monitored if you take this exciting route. Good luck.

I am 8 and half years since diagnosis, had a bumpy ride at times but now I am feeling great.

Pennie

Hi Paul,
I was diagnosed in 2003 and have been on Glivec since January 2004 and have achieved 0.012 % PCR. Within 18 months I had shown significant improvements in molecular response after having my dose increased.

I still manage to work full time and though I do have side effects, I have learned to live with them. I have found keeping a positive attitude has been of great help, though your mood does go through ups and downs on the journey.

Kenny

Hi Kenny,
I just wanted to say congratulations on the improvement in your pcr results after the increase in dose. Its good to hear positive stories from positive people like you. I am sure it helps the newly diagnosed realise that all is not lost.
Good to hear from you.
Sandy

Just come back from HH from the first of many monthly monitorings. My wbc, platelets hbg etc had not changed from a month ago when I stopped the Glivec initially. I was surprised that the wbc especially had not started rising ( still at 3.5), but HH did not expect anything yet as it is too early apparently.

I will get my result of my first PCR off Glivec next month, although HH will telephone me before that if anything substantial happens in order to get back onto the Glivec straight away.

I have to attend monthly monitorings for at least 6 months and then who knows. Enough said that I feel like I have come out of first gear, My eyes are round again, no cramps since my last tablet, insomnia much better, energy levels rising daily, mental aspect much brighter. Although a lot of you think this is brave (or stupid - I suspect you may think) it is something I particularly wanted to do, and would not have entertained the idea if HH had forbidden it, but they are backing me 100% in this, for which I will be eternally grateful. Dr Marin expects me to regain my previous PCR results should I need to retake the Glivec, I have read much literature on this and I have a 50/50 chance of staying off Glivec. Something I have persistently asked my physicians about since getting to pcru 3 years ago.

My decision (brave or stupid) is mine and mine alone and I would neither recommend or suggest it to anybody else. Do what is best for you. I have such complete confidence in HH that I feel I have done the right thing for me.

I will keep you all informed

Des

I have now had my regular chat with the consultant but, unfortunately, he couldn't tell me what my PCR result was. It has now been four weeks since my blood test and still no result. However, the good news is that my blood is normal in all other respects so the consultant expects that my PCR is still zero (says he would put money on it). I discussed a possible holiday and he didn't seem terribly enthusiastic about it. He told me that I am the only patient he has with a zero PCR. Still, when he originally diagnosed my CML I had a platelet count 3 times higher than he had ever seen before.

So, I think I will forget about holidays for now.