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TKI's and pregnancy- new thread

Dear Sasha,

I am answering you on a new thread for this subject as the old one has quite a few posts on it and your post might not be as visible as it should be.

First and foremost. In your situation- i.e. your husband is the one who is being treated with TKI therapy, the news is good. TKI's do not affect sperm and so his therapy will not be an issue for you. I recently had a private email on this very subject asking for advice from a couple who are in the same situation. Their consultant did not feel he could advise them as he was not aware of the data regarding TKI therapy and its possible effects on sperm. Therefore I contacted my consultant on their behalf and she confirmed that there is the same level of risk of foetal abnormalities for males on TKI therapy as there is in the 'normal' male population. In other words, go ahead with your plans.

Of course for females it is a different issue- although there have been normal births to women who have found themselves pregnant whilst taking TKI therapy there have also been a number of abnormalities and/or miscarriages. TKIs can affect the development of the foetus if it is exposed during the first 3 months of development. It is advised that women who plan to get pregnant wait until the PCR results show a stable molecular response, and then stop taking their treatment for the duration of the pregnancy, with close molecular monitoring during this time.

I suggest you talk with your husbands doctor about this and if he/she is not able to confirm the above data regarding males, then let me know and I will try to advise you further. You can always ask for a referral to Hammersmith if you want to talk and confirm the background to this subject with the doctors there. Let me know if this would help and I will send you contact details privately.

Sandy

recently pregnant
Submitted by sblan on Tue, 03/06/2014 - 05:20.
I know that this was posted several years ago, and I am really hoping that someone reads this, as I am in hopes to get good news about the pregnancy's I have read about in this forum. I was wondering if you could enlighten me on any information and Dasatinib 100mg a day and pregnancy outcomes.

My husband was diagnosed almost a year ago and we just found out that I am pregnant. He was on tasigna before and had a small break and in the last 10 weeks started on Sprycel. As this is our third child, and very unexpected we are trying to gather as much info as possible about this pregnancy.

any thoughts or info is welcome.

Sasha

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Dasatinib and pregnancy
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Submitted by louisealdridge on Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:05.
Hi Sasha,

My husband was diagnosed in 2005 age 34,he had two years on imatinib then put on to dasatinib 140mg in 2007, as we already had one child and therefore not eligible for fertility treatment, the hospital sent us to a local fertility clinic for some tests on his sperm, of which they said there did not appear to be any problems so we were advised to go for it.

I conceived naturally at age 41 a few months later, and at 20 weeks the hospital did a thorough scan of the baby and there were no apparent problems, in fact they seemed more concerned with my age than the dasatinib effect on the baby.

We had a healthy girl in Dec 2010,who is now 3 1/2, and has brought us much joy,and is still healthy , i think you will no doubt worry through the whole of the pregnancy as we did, especially as my husband had been on the medication in total for 5 years at the time and no one new the impact on the foetus.

When you do go for your scans just mention his medication and make sure that they scan you thoroughly, and good luck, I hope our experience will help you.

Louise

Hi Sasha,

Congratulations!! I imagine your heads and hearts are reeling, but it's a beautiful thing and I hope the four of you enjoy preparing for a new crew member.

Can't remember where my last post was up to regarding fertility, but although we started down the route of treatment I'm grateful to say that we didn't need it.

We had Dora-Jean in March 2011 and then, with no real plan to, had Peggy Wren in January 2013. Both girls are bonnie, healthy and funny as hell- the only slight issue was hip dysplasia in both hips for each of them. Dora's was fixed with a soft harness and Peggy had to have a couple of operations and 4 months in a cast- but we believe we have traced this back in our families and there is no clear connection with either my CML or my medication.

As to genuine, hard information I'm afraid I don't have any- but Sandy is thorough and generally infallible in this area so I would not hesitate in seconding her advice. From my own experience the general consensus is go for it and don't look back.

CML has taught me that life is just one huge crap-shoot, so you kind of just have to get on with it.

Good luck with the pregnancy- I hope you and your husband enjoy the journey for the third time!!

Adam XxxX

Thank you for the information, I am so happy to hear that there is success amongst this unsure journey with CML. I appreciate your time and I am so glad that my post was read.

I was wondering do you know what Sandy's background is? I am excited about her information too, just wanted a little more.

Thanks Sasha

Hi Sandy and Louise,

Thank you so much for getting back to me, all of the information is invaluable to this journey. I am glad to hear all the positive news.

I was wondering what is Hammersmith and how can I get more information from them? We live in the US.

Sandy I was wondering what your background is?

We have contacted my husbands doctor and the only things we have gotten is information they requested from Bristol Meyers Squibb. The doctor doesn't seem to want to see us. I have only spoken to his nurse. I am very discouraged with some of our doctors right now.

Thanks Sasha

Hi Sasha,

Hammersmith is an area in London, but when we refer to it here we mean the hospital in London but the same name. It's a world leader in blood cancers and other blood disorders - and indeed was where the first ever stem cell transplant in the world was performed.

This is the Hammersmith hospital home page: http://www.imperial.nhs.uk/hammersmith/index.htm - however, they of course have experts in fertility and TKIs, one of which did a talk on TKI fertility a few months ago at the UK CML patient day in Oxford. I'm afraid that particular session was a Q&A based one, so unlike the rest of the day there are not specific slides to share.

I'm a guy who takes dasatinib. I have sperm cryogenically stored, so I guess this is a bit of an insurance policy but I am not sure it's required. From memory of the session I mentioned above, it is simpler for men on TKIs than women. We spoke about (to be extra safe) coming off TKIs for a short while until pregnant - this of course would be great if getting pregnant was easy and was sure to happen in a few weeks! Another option that was talked about was coming off dasatinib and switching to imatinib until conception (after a 'flush out' period) as the guidance for imatinib is that it's OK for the man to conceive on.

That day we also spoke about someone with a deeper remission to come off TKI altogether until conception, with regular PCR monitoring. And of course the option of continuing on dasatinib but with a little extra monitoring of the pregnancy. Basically, there isn't a huge amount of data on the subject, so it's difficult to say what is the "correct" course of action.

The doctor who led that session was very pragmatic, and suggested that there is always a way to work around the situation - particularly for the men. I know that my wife and I were very encouraged after that session.

I don't really know how / if it's possible to speak to these same people since you are based in the US. Perhaps someone else here knows of a precedent for that?

David.

I have emailed you privately with the relevant information and contacts.

Sandy

Thank you for getting back to me with the Hammersmith information, I am excited to check it out. I also emailed one of the professors in hopes of getting some additional advise.

Hi Sasha

It may be worth you taking a look at the 'Blogs and Journals' link on the website as Sandy's story is on there and would give you some background.

Good luck with everything

K

I had a brief moment to look at sandys blog and plan on reading more soon. Thanks for the info.

Sasha