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Recently Diagnosed from New Zealand

Hi all,
6 Months ago, I was a 33 Year old father of two young children walking this earth without a care in the world. I had Never set foot into a hospital and couldn't remember a time where I had ever called in sick for work - apart from the odd cold I have never been sick!

Being a Soldier in the NZ Army I had recently returned from Afghanistan and noticed my fitness was not what it used to be. I went to the Doctor who said that now I am in my thirties it is understandable that I did not feel as fit as I used to. He did however order a blood test. The next day I got a phone call to come into the hospital straight away. The Doctor sat me down and said "you have CML Leukaemia"

This came as a shock for my family and I. I couldn't help but think "why me?" I was immediately sent into the specialist who conducted a bone marrow biopsy, full blood count and put on hydroxiurea until the results came back. 10 days later I was put on 400g of immatinub.

Three weeks later the specialist took another blood test and said I was responding well to immatinub and I was told to come back in three months time.

From my research it seems that I am fortunate to live in a country where the drug is fully funded and the Public Health system appears well equipped for Leukaemia patients. - but I am still scared.

From researching CML over the past few months I wonder if and environmental factors could have contributed to/aggravated the on set of CML. Particularly during my tours to Afghanistan.

My main questions are:
1. Is anyone out there in a similar situation to me?
2. I have heard a lot about depleted uranium, benzine and it's correlation with blood cancers. Is this proven?
3. It seems that my diagnosis has hit my family harder than me. How has anyone else dealt with moving from a position in the family of "husband/father" to cancer patient.
4. Does anyone have any pointers for the immatinub medication, ie what foods you can/can't take and if you can push yourself hard when exercising?
5. I'm keen to stay in the Army, does taking immatinub reduce your cardio fitness?

Sorry for the silly questions but I am still new to the CML club and any advice will be much appreciated.

Dan

Hello Dan,

Firstly, the most important thing is not to panic about prognosis - I gathered from your message this isn't currently an issue for you and it shouldn't be either. All things being equal, you will probably live a normal lifespan with a good quality of life **Key point for family to take note of**. It should also put your mind at ease a little, and as time goes on, you will become more comfortable dealing and living with CML. I forget about it most days and I'm now ~4 years since diagnosis.

I was diagnosed as a 32 year old, with similar conditions i.e. poorer running times, which i attributed to simply getting old. I was in the military at the time and so fitness was important to me then (and still is).

I'll try and answer your Qs in order:

1. Yes, me for one :-)

2. The only proven cause of CML is from ionizing radiation i.e. nuclear blast/fallout. I'm not sure if DU is ionizing or not. Benzene has been definitively linked to AML, but only tentatively linked to CML, so it is unproven at this time (companies have been successfully sued for causing CML by benzene exposure in the USA). However, I genuinely believe my exposure to aviation fuel was responsible for my CML. What good that does me is questionable, but it gives me a sense of possible explanation. I have a friend who has terminal lung cancer (never smoked) and he believes it was exposure to burn pits in Afghan.

3. My wife took my diagnosis quite hard, and probably still worries about it more than me. I quite enjoy the dark 'military humour' of saying "I can't believe you'd be so mean to a cancer patient" when i don't get my way. I think a lot of it comes down to mindset - I don't think of myself as a cancer patient day to day. The only time it really hits home is when I go to the doctor every three months for blood draw. In 6 months time you'll probably be feeling relatively normal i.e. 90%+ of what you were at 31 and as each day goes by you'll focus on CML less and less. Also, I think Leukemia is a nasty word - we call it Leonard instead. That way we can have conversations about Leonard in front of younger children or strangers and they are none the wiser. i.e. How is Leonard recently? Annoying, but minding his own business.

You're still a husband/father who can lead a relatively normal life, it's just there may be a couple of limitations you now need to consider i.e. tablets, fatigue, routine blood work.

4. I'm on Tasigna, which is the second generation after Imatinib. As for exercise, I strongly recommend it. I would ensure your last blood work confirmed your red blood cells are in the normal range, otherwise it gets really tiring really quickly. As counter-intuitive as it seems, if I'm feeling a bit out of energy and lethargic, the best thing for me is some running or a blast on my bike to get my heart rate up. I think getting your circulation going helps move the chemicals through your body (this is not scientific fact, just my old wives theory based on my experience). I still run and exercise, although not to the level I used to, it's more just for a bit of cardio fitness and muscle retention.

As for food, stay away from grapefruit as it interferes with the absorption of Imatinib, but that's about it. I found i suffered with heartburn more on the meds so have cut out spicy food and highly acidic stuff i.e. orange juice. I also went tee-total and have never felt healthier, but that's personal choice, not dictated by the meds.

5. As for staying in the army, I'm not sure what your medical grading system is like, so it is entirely dependent upon that. As for cardio fitness, I expect you will probably be able to maintain a level close enough to the standard to remain in service; however, there are times when i am simply exhausted and you need to consider the operational impact of this if it happens to you. If you're infantry, that could be a challenging existence; if you're in a more support-based role then coping with CML should pose few problems.

I struggled with coming to terms with some of the limitations CML imposed on me. I've since found it useful to focus on those things that are important to me and I've accepted I would find it difficult to run a 1/2 marathon again. I'm enjoying sports which are a little less physically demanding (I've stopped wakeboarding) and make the most out of quality time; the one thing CML did (which I'm grateful for) is make me appreciate what I have and I can look after my health from an early age. This is just my personal experience and I know several CML patients who are putting down some brilliant running/cycling times and simply getting on with it - entirely depends on how your body tolerates the meds.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Chris

Hi Dan, and welcome to this forum. There are many on here that will relate to your experience of diagnosis with CML so you need not feel alone in that.
Chris has answered your specific questions, and so well that I cannot find much to add.

All I would say that citrus fruits and juices are pretty much suspect as having negative affects on TKI absorption.... grapefruit being the first one to be identified. Since then it is thought that the seville orange is also suspect and should not be consumed with TKI therapy. So best to stay away from those two.

St. John's wort (a herbal medicine that helps with anxiety/depression etc)is also contra-indicated.
Try not to take painkillers like ibuprofen (Nurofen) with TKI therapy as it is thought to have an adverse effect.
Paracetamol is preferable as long as you follow the general warnings on the box and don't use an painkillers long term. TKI therapies are metabolised via the liver, as are most painkillers so that is why it's best not to use them on a very regular basis.

Try to focus on the fact the vast majority of people who are diagnosed in chronic phase CML and who are given the right TKI therapy for them will live out their normal lifespan. If you respond well to therapy then CML is highly unlikely to cause you any problems- other than knowing you have a diagnosis. Other cancers are not so easy to deal with, so in that sense even though we are 'unlucky' to have been diagnosed, we are 'lucky' that it is CML!

Family do have a hard time of it. This will ease as you see your results show you are responding well to therapy. It is so hard for everyone to feel confident that this will happen, but for over 93% who are diagnosed in chronic phase and who respond well to whatever drug they are treated with, be that- imatinib, nilotinib, dasatinib, bosutinib and ponatinib- life will go on and you will all adjust.

As for drug/food to drug interaction take a look at this article on our home page:
http://www.cmlsupport.org.uk/node/8442

Your might find the following overview of TKI therapy instructive: here is a link to our FAQ page:
http://www.cmlsupport.org.uk/cmlfaq_TKI%20therapy

Where are you being treated in NZ?

Best, Sandy

Hi, dan!

I'm a new recruit too (december 2013) and i have 33 years (birthday today :D). I just wanna say to focus on what you can do. be adherent to therapy (miss more than 10% of the doses will give you a poor response) and live your life. you have cml but cml doesn't own you. Take care!

PS: Sandy, kiwi, guava, pinneapple and grapes are citrus fruit (for treatment reasons)?

Have a great day Lucas.

I think it is just grapefruit and seville oranges that are contra-indicated... but definitely grapefruit should be avoided.
see links to drug/food interactions

Sandy

Thanks, sandy!!! there's no grapefruit in my city, but i eat a lot of fruits like guava, pinneapple, grapes, etc..they are kind of citric, so i thought it would be a problem :D

Hi guys, thanks for the feedback. It is much appreciated. It is reassuring to know that there are others out there in the same boat that have moved on to live normal lives. I had read some pretty scary stuff on the internet so it was a relief to find this website.

Many thanks,

Dan

Hi Sandy, Thanks for the feedback, I am being treated in Christchurch..

Dan

Hey Dan, I just wanted to tell you I'm also 33 years old and I was diagnosed about a month ago. I went through the same thing, my cardio was terrible but I just moved to Colorado so I assumed it was the altitude. I never had any chronic symptoms so I never showed any concern.

One morning I woke up and my stomach was bothering me, my entire abdomen was tender and painful. It turns out my spleen was ready to pop. After a little blood work, BOOM, you have leukemia. It was scary shit.

I was definitely relieved to find out it was CML, the better type to acquire.

I am currently still on hydro and still trying to make a decision on which TKI to use. 1st or 2nd generation. Are you having many side effects?

Anyways, I'm a father and a husband and there are some emotional days during the CML roller coaster, but I think it's important to focus on the "day to day" mentality and appreciate the things that mean the most to you.

Take care, you are not alone.

Hi Jeff, I'm currently on immatiub. Apart from the odd time I feel a bit fatigued I have had no side affects really. I felt a bit ill on them at first but I think that was psychological more than anything else.

Your right about focusing on the day to day stuff, if nothing else this CML has definitely put things into perspective for my family and I.

Cheers,

Dan

About seville oranges - what happens when they are cooked, in marmalade? Are they OK then? I've been having marmalade for breakfast almost every day since diagnosis nearly 5 years ago (and long before that) and it doesn't seem to have done me any harm.....
Olivia

Dear Sandy,

I appreciate all that you write. I was diagnosed (shockingly as everyone else) in January, 2014 and am on Sprycel 100mg. Went from 100% to 20% to .385% to .365% in 6 mos and am now on a plateau. I am not moving to MMR as fast as I was led to believe possible and wondered if I am eating right for the drug, I couldn't get onto the drug/food interaction article but am seeking the advice of a dietician. I have been eating oranges, so maybe that wasn't so smart. I knew about the grapefruit. My doctor told me not to take plant based calcium within 2 hrs of the Sprycel. So that has made me wonder if all that I eat for supper right before the Sprycel pill is affecting the efficacy.

Maybe though I am just nuts! Am trying to get on with life!Thanks for your knowledge and thank you to everyone else for sharing their experiences.

Ginger

A glass of grapefruit juice affects CYP3A4 concentrations for about 3 days - so needs to be avoided entirely, really. Seville Orange juice is nearly as potent (in CYP3A4 interaction terms) as grapefruit, but it's really in juice that it all needs to be avoided as that's where you'll get the concentration.

However, this particular trial rules out people who have eaten marmalade recently so there might be some effect? How much a scrape of marmalade would actually have is something I've no idea about.

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02157883

Pomegranate juice and starfruit juice are also to be avoided, as I think they can have a similar affect - at least in theory.

Grapefruit affects your CYP3A4 concentrations - which can make your Gleevec etc hang around in your liver for longer. This means there is a potential that your side effects will increase.
http://cml-iq.com/grapefruit-effect-need-know/