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Hi everyone,

I posted not so long ago about my joint pain.

My question was not so much who had joint pain as that’s a common side effect of TKI but how many of you started experiencing joint pain much longer after commencing TKI, I am approaching 5 and a half years on Nilotinib 600mg and I’d say the last 6 months the joint pain is quite noticeable in certain areas, now you could argue it’s my age but being the tender age of 43 it’s unlikely. Lately I wake up aching pretty much everywhere and feel like a 80 year old man at times (no offence to those who are).

Last test result 0.014% nigh on MR4

Just started taking 200mg of Magnesium Citrate to see if that helps at all. Been on those about 2 weeks no noticeable difference as yet. I have noticed though I seem to be sleeping much deeper which is just amazing if it is that. I may increase to 400mg if that’s safe to do so and see if that can help.

Many thanks and hope you’re all doing fine?

Al

Forgive the title of the paper linked below, but red light therapy can possibly help with joint pain. It sounds a bit nuts, but there is quite a lot of evidence behind it. Medics in my family are proponents of it in some circumstances.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1727843/

All that said, I am the same age as you Alex and my knees are not what they used to be and perhaps this is just a part of getting older.

Maybe it’s just too much exercise and it knackers your knees. As my mum would say “no pain, no pain”.

Hi. I feel joint pain and effects after 5 years of 800 nilotinib and reduced effects to 600 mg, but not much to change. Is there anything that can help you? Or did you give in on your own? This pain has a very bad effect on me.

My left elbow seems to feel like what you describe. I am 45 years old and am just past 8 years. My left hip also aches at times in the Winter. I have started skipping a dose or half dose here and there to minimize the toxicity as much as possible. My last three results since starting to do this are stable or even gone down. I don't think I will take 600mg in a single day ever again. Please post if you find anything to ease the pain, or the source of it.

Hi Alex, I’m just noticing that this is a post from 2023, but I can’t help but commenting on joint pain because it’s my biggest complaint since I started on TKIs. I started in 2021 on Sprycel. The joint pain and leg pain was horrific about six months , I also had swelling going on, and I bumped my shin and got a hematoma. Never had anything like that before it kept getting worse my right knee and swelled, and I was taken off the Sprycel. After that, I was on Bosutinib for only one month as my liver enzymes went way up. After that, I was put on Tasigna for about a year all the while my knee kept getting worse and I was diagnosed with severe arthritis in both knees. It could be my age, 74 but I have always been very active basically a gym rat but not to the point of overdoing it. I do believe the TKIs accelerated the osteoarthritis that I now live with. I’ve read studies that it can be a side effect of the medication. I am now on Scemblix with way less side effects than all the other meds . keep an eye on your joints. Have them x-rayed periodically so you know what’s going on. Hope you are doing well.

Bone pain got progressively worse while I was on imatinib. I was on that drug for 11 years. After three years on Nilotinib, unfortunately, I feel the bone pain picking up. I can only hope it doesn’t get as bad as imatinib. Exercise and diet are how I deal with it. So far some of the things I learned with Imatinib to keep the pain at bay is working.

Joe

Please Joe tell me what your methods are. Unfortunately, I have severe pain and I don't know how to deal with it.

Polineczka sorry for your situation. I do find that it ebbs and flows so hopefully you can take comfort from the fact that change is constant and that you will improve. That being said what I try to practice is the following:

1) I eat healthy fresh foods, try to reduce carb intake, follow an anti-inflammatory diet, drink lots of water, no alcohol or sugary drinks, little or no meat. I only consume salmon, preferably wild caught. Lay off the sweets, this is an area that I struggle with.

2) I only eat between the hours of 8am to 4pm and I try to stay comfortably in a positive BMI. I try never to be over weight and am constantly monitoring my weight.

3) I walk once per day, preferably in the morning when the muscles are tight.

4) I goto to the gym 3 times per week. It’s important to act your age at the gym. I am in my 60’s so I don’t exercise with heavy weight, extreme movements, and do not push myself to the limit like I did when I was younger. I take it slow and try to increase reps and weights very slowly when I know it won’t involve a struggle or a lot of exertion. It has taken me a while to find the right routine. It’s trial and error. Many times I make things worse when I try an exercise that doesn’t work and you feel the effects for days after. I am constantly thinking how to strengthen muscles especially around the problem areas in my lower back and neck.

5) I have degenerative discs in my neck and lumber region and that compounds the issue. I believe TKIs add to inflammation so if you tweak something even ever so slightly this can help to make the pain worse. As soon as a back episode occurs I immediately try to reduce the inflammation with celebrex and take a muscle relaxer. I only take these drugs for one or two days, after that hopefully things calm down and you can slowly use exercise routine to get you back on track.

With exercise it’s slow and steady wins the race. I can tell you I literally lived with harsh back pain for years, especially on Imatinib. If I add up all the time I had sciatica it would be in years. Exercise and walking are really the only things that help me.

I had an episode last July that lasted for 5 weeks. Luckily I got out of it. I found that stress and anxiety were the culprit this time around. ( There’s a lot of that in the states right now, it’s almost unavoidable). But in general I haven’t had many major episodes in the last few years. Being on Nilotinib I think has helped. But like I mentioned in my earlier post I do feel like the back pain wants to be more prominent but the exercise keeps it a bay.

I hope that helps.

If you have any further questions I would be happy to answer them.
Also remember change is your friend and when you’re in the middle of an episode it feels like it will never go away, but it will.
Even though I say that I still get depressed and despondent when an episode occurs like it did for me a few weeks ago.
But trust me you will improve. Just keep moving.

Joe

Thank you very much, it is as you say, while the pain lasts, there is no hope, but it always passes and it gets better.

No matter how many times I go through an orthopedic episode, especially the ones that last over a week, I get depressed and frustrated. I would say those exact emotions are what actually help you find a way out. It forces you to think, “how can I solve this”? Typically the solution is to reduce inflammation, relax muscles, and move. Staying stationery is your enemy.

JP