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Dasatinib Trial first PCR results

Hi I have been taking dasatinib (trial) since September my results today fell from approx (As I was shown the results at my consultants office) 28.34 to a definite 0.70 which my Consultant seemed really pleased with - what does this mean - can anybody explain I understand it proves the tablets are working but if I got 0.07 dos this mean the Leukeamia has gone. He did aslo say that some of my blood counts were low but that is normal with the tablets.

You all sound so knowlegable with your results - and I am still finding it all confusing. I am having a another Bone marrow sample taken in 4 weeks (liquid only this time). On my first one they took two samples - why do they do different tests

Dear Jacqui,

Your pcr result is very good, so you should be at least as happy as your contultant ;o) Congratulations.

Your September result was around 30% (28.34) which means that you still had quite a few PH+ cells evident (and visible in your blood sample looking down the microscope). However, as dasatinib has been doing the job it is hoped it would do, your PH+ cell population has dropped to a very low level... just under 1% (0.70) which is great.... the PH+ cells will probably not be evident if you looked at your sample down the microscope as the number is now so low. However, it does not mean that the PH+ cells have gone.... there are probably quite a few of them, it is just that the number is now only measurable by the molecular test we know as PCR which is a measure of the abnormal fusion-protein BCR/Abl and is expressed as a % ratio of normal cells vs abnormal cells in any one given blood/marrow sample. the presence of this protein shows that you still have PH+ cells somewhere in your marrow (not now visible in your peripheral blood) and therefor you still have CML.
for most of us who are treated with imatinib or the other two TKI's dasatinib or nilotinib, the abnormal protein BCR/Abl will always be evident and therefor will need to be kept at very low levels by the daily dose of one of the above drugs.
Some, like Des and Basil, do achieve such low levels of the protein that their PCR's are expressed as 0.000 (also known as PCRu - undetectable). If you remain PCRu consistently for over 2 years some clinicians think that this might be evidence of a 'functional cure' .. which means that some can come of TKI therapy and the disease remains dormant. However, this does not happen with all those in PCRu and a high proportion do start to show BCR/Abl positive PCR tests usually within 6 months of stopping treatment.

So for the majority therapy with TKI's like imatinib etc. is not a cure. We are still waiting for such a drug to be developed... and I am sure one day it will be.

I hope this is of some help.. if you need further explanation then please ask again,

Just know that you are doing very well on dasatinib and maybe you should take some time out to celebrate.

Best wishes,
Sandy
Sandy

Thank you Sandy your have been a great help I am getting more confident with my understanding (I think my first September result may of been high my husband thought it 48 although I dont suppose it makes much differnce). It is great to know about Des and Bazil - and like you say I there will be a cure someday soon. In the meantime I will keep being positive.

Y A H O O O !!! Y I P P E E E !!!

Number 1301 in the Zero Club

Zavie

Jacqui,

Could you please send me your email address. I have a few questions for you.

Thanks,

Zavie zmiller@sympatico.ca

Zavie Miller (age 71)
67 Shoreham Avenue
Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3
dxd AUG/99
INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF
No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01
Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)
CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club
2.8 log reduction Sep/05
3.0 log reduction Jan/06
2.9 log reduction Feb/07
3.6 log reduction Apr/08
3.6 log reduction Sep/08
3.7 log reduction Jan/09
3.8 log reduction May/09
3.8 log reduction Aug/09
4.0 log reduction Dec/09
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Congratulations Jacqui! A great response and that all important zero number from Zavie.
They take a bit of bone rather than just fluid on that first test just to have a look at the structure and check for any abnormalities / fibrosis. If they found anything particularly interesting they might do another one to check it was improving, but otherwise they tend to just take fluid on subsequent draws to check the progress of the cells.
All the best
Phil

Congratulations Jacqui - fantastic results. As Sandy suggests - take some time out to celebrate.
God Bless
Peter

Peter Miles
Southport UK

Peter

Thank you I wished I knew within myself how great this result is - I still don't really understand and my Consultant said it was a great result but would liked to have seen 0.07 rather than 0.7 ?????

Jacqui

That's great news!
Your response is great and as long as it gets better or stays the same you are doing well!
I think Des and I are just very fortunate to have kept our response off Gleevec.
But should I have to resume a drug regime again, at least I have had a great drug free holiday over the past 9 months.
Gleevec is a wonderful medication to fight CML, but I am sure it's not a cure. That I pray is not too far off in the future.
Kind regards
Basil