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Difficult decision!

Ok,i'm newly diagnosed and aged 30! So i had the choice of starting Tasigna or Gleevec and saw Doctor on Thurs. As i'm hoping to come off the drug in a few years to hopefully have a baby the consultant was slightly happier to prescribe Tasigna 300mg BD . I start it next week BUT it's just going round and round and round in my head that maybe i should've gone with Gleevec because of the safety aspect, ease of taking it without fasting and would hopefully get the same response albeit possibly it would take longer-.. At the end of the day even though i really want to have a family, i know i have to put my own health first. Is there more serious side effects with Tasigna? I know it's showing that you can get a quicker response initially which would be fantastic but long term have i used up an option by bypassing Gleevec. I'm sorry guys, i'm wrecking my own head so i'm sure this probably sounds like i'm a bit mad!
Calalily!

Whow, you are brand new! Well welcome to our community, although not really a group you would choose to join......

With regards to the difference between the drugs in my opinion you have made the best decision. Gleevec was the first wonder drug, but Tasigna is the new improved version. I have been on both and I felt rotten on Glivec but amazing on Tasigna. And more importantly both drugs worked and my PCR is very low.

Not everyone is the same but the second generation drugs are thought to be better - and the good news is that you can go to Gleevec if you don't get on with Tasigna. You won't have used up your options. AND there are other drugs...... We are really lucky that CML is a very treatable.

You must be in such shock but you will get though it and fingers crossed you have an easy journey like me.

Take care and the best of luck to you
Lynn (42yr PCR 0.003 dx'd Apr 09)

Calalily,
Welcome to this forum. In my opinion- whick echo's Lynn's - you have made the right choice given that you were only offered imatinib as the other choice.

There is no doubt that nilotinib/Tasigna is the better option and has improved efficacy over imatinib esp. in newly diagnosed CML.
The side effects are not worse per se- they are just different But many who have suffered side effects from imatinib have found a vast improvement on switching therapy.

Yes the daily dosing regime is more complex, but you can find a way of managing the timing that suits your own lifestyle- and no you have not burned your bridges at all- imatinib/Glivec is now considered by NICE as an optional TKI for use as a 2nd line therapy -even though it has no NICE appraisal as such in 2nd line- so you can always choose to try imatinib as 2nd line if you wish.

I predict that you will not need nor want to. Imatinib is a very good drug for a majority of patients, but over 40% go on to develop resistance and/or intolerance to imatinib. Both 2nd generation TKIs appraised by NICE for use in both 1st and 2nd line therapy (i.e nilotinib and dasatinib) were recognised in both appraisals as having improved clinical benefit over imatinib.

for NICE cost was the only issue which is probably why your clinician has not also offered dasatinib which was not offered in the same financial terms to the NHS as nilotinib was -

Dasatinib- also a 2G TKI- is currently only available through an application by your doctor to the Cancer Drug Fund in England -
so unless you currently live in the North East region of England, which has not yet agreed to fund CDF requests for dasatinib- or you live in Wales, Scotland or N.Ireland where there are different application systems - your doctor could apply to the Cancer Drug Fund for dasatinib, although it would entail a further waiting period for the various formalities, form filling etc.

There are also other options available: i.e you could join a clinical trial for other TKis coming through such as bosutinib and ponatinib- all TKIs have very similar safety profiles it is just that imatinib was the first one available of this class of drugs- but the newer generation TKIs are all based on the same principle of inhibiting or shutting down the signaling mechanism which causes the abnormal cells to divide and prosper.

There are many members of this forum who are currently taking nilotinib and will be able to advise you from their own experience.
But please be reassured that nilotinib is a very good option, especially in newly diagnosed CML.

Wishing you the best of luck as you start on this journey- which is now proving to be even more interesting (and far less terrifying) than ever of us dared imagine even just 5 years ago. It is only recently that we now talk with some optimism of the possibility of stopping therapy in the longer term.
If you want to be sure that you are a good candidate for stopping therapy sooner rather than later, then you need the best possible treatment from the start-
i.e if the goal is to get to a as low a molecular response in as fast a time as possible then in my opinion you need one of the 2G TKIs to be as sure of achieving this as is possible.

I hope you will feel more confident that you have made a good choice. It sounds like you have a supportive clinician.

Sandy

I have just change to Nilotinib (Tasigna) I also feel great on this drug compared to dasatinib and imatinb

I initially started taking it at 9am and 9pm but after a few months I decided that putting my alarm on at 4am and taking it at 4pm works much better as it doesnt interfer with your day of your social life!!!!!!!

jacqui

Thank you so much, Lynn Sandy and Jacqui! It's been a whirlwind few weeks trying to get my head around everything but forums like this are really helping me as you understand what I'm going through so I really appreciate your advice and support. Sorry it's taken me a while to reply. I started Tasigna two weeks ago. My bloods are improving. The side effects seems to have increased and I'm just trying to manage them at the minute. Did/do you suffer from the headaches or rash? I've been taking painkillers to help with the headaches and they seem to get rid of it for a while so i'm just continuing with that and hoping they go away. My skin has been changing a lot even on my face I notice it is rough and bumpy- do you think this will settle down? I had some chest pain- comes for about thirty seconds when I have to catch my breath but I had another ecg today and that seems fine. Have any of you experienced breast pain at the start? I have some crazy combination of symptoms- i'm sure they've a red flag attached to my chart at the hospital! I hope you are doing well with your treatment too.
Thanks again,
Calalily

I have not taken nilotinib so cannot answer your questions re side effects from personal experience. However, there are many who access this forum who would be able to advise/reassure you.

I would say it is quite common to suffer side effects for any of the TKIs during the first 12 weeks or so. I am sure that you are being monitored well and if the side effects you are experiencing now do get any worse that will be picked up.

I know that nilotinib can produce a rash- and for most this subsides as you body gets used to it- likewise with headache.

Remember your body is doing a lot of work at the moment and nilotinib is killing PH+ cells- so you are likely to suffer at least for a while until things normalise. Hang in there.

Sandy