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I decided to start a new thread about the elimination of the dormant leukemic stem cells, the one initated by scuba in 2018 is in my opinion one of the best threat in this Forum and explain how fasting + TKI could help to cure CML.
If I understand correctly, fasting helps to cure CML because it will make dormant leukemic stem cells active again and the TKI will kill them.

Question: If a person is taking Imatinib and being undetected for more than two years, could stopping the medication for one week awake the dormant cells and restarting the imatinib kill them? Could this method be used since fasting is not an option when taking Imatinib?

From what I have read, there are many ways to cure CML. Unfortunately, short term fasting is not one of them. It may block or even reverse ALL/CLL, but it seems to have little effects on AML/CML. Short term fasting is anything between 1 and 7 days. In the published studies, where it's (incorrectly?) called "prolonged" fasting, they usually went for 48-72 hours.

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TKIs do not affect LSCs even if these are awaken.

Kinase-Independent Survival: Unlike mature leukemic cells, LSCs are not oncogene-addicted to BCR::ABL1 signaling and can survive even when the kinase is completely inhibited.

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I have read several books on fasting for restoring health and there it's clearly distinguished between preventative fasting (1 - 7 days) and therapeutic fasting (12 - 40 days). Most people can go through the first one on water, tea and coffee without major issues. For the second one, you need to deal with the issues and risks related to metabolic acidosis and catabolic state. Most people can overcome these with bone broth and veggie juice. You can also use bicarb soda or purchase fasting salts to maintain low acidity and sufficient levels of electrolytes. But every person is unique, so should be extremely careful. People with low body fat should not fast at all.

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I recommend reading Upton Sinclair's book https://archive.org/details/fastingcure00sincrich/mode/2up and also Jason Fung's one
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Fasting-Intermittent-Alternate-Day...

If you are more into watching stuff, there is an informative doco on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZOwwauuvc

I had managed to fast several times for up to 4 days while on Dasatinib and it felt great, but had no effect on BCR. While on Asciminib, it feels very difficult to get beyond 24 hours. Now I'm going to try it with the help of bone broth and Breuss veggie juice. Some people use fruit juice, however, even though for example apple and beetroot juice both contain around 10% sugar, apple juice spikes blood glucose while beetroot juice suppresses it. My goal is to reach at least 12 days and push for 21 and then repeat it from time to time.

In my last conversation with AI on natural leukotriene inhibitors, it mentioned parthenolide and its synthetic variant dimethylamino-parthenolide which is 1000 times more bioavailable and very effective in selectively eradicating LSCs from the bone marrow with no effects on healthy cells. Several universities have been looking into it in relation to AML, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for its commercialisation as there is no money in it. The first compound I found years ago that could cure CML was Tenovin-6 as described in the paper published in 2012. I assume Tenovin-6 cannot be patented, just as figuring out delivery mechanisms for many natural products that could improve their bioavailability and effectivenes against CML LSCs, so no one is seriously looking into it.

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It is a sad reality that today only profit drives research and innovation. As my friend explained to me, he obtained PhD in pharmacology working at a uni lab fully sponsored by Pfizer, project financial evaluations are performed quarterly and regardless of the stage of a project it can be scraped in a day if its financial prospects change. The knowledge and insights obtained through scraped projects are sealed and shelved at the sponsor's internal data storage, considered as confidential private property and strategic advantage, never to be released to public.

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I believe your thoughts original and go beyond medicine prescribed. I believe that's ok.
maybe stop the tki for the week you propose, and fast for a few days for the last few days of your going without the imatinib.
how would you test to see if your week without tki affects the activity of the leukemic cells?
I love craft beers,my favorite food. and I enjoy great breads also.
keto diet and fasting would be difficult for me.

I agree with 30k that in general a 1 to 7 day fast, while feeling healthy, will do little to stop CML. Perhaps a much more longer fast of 12 to 40 days could reset one’s system but that has yet to be definitively proven. It is my belief that one of the best ways to see if you have a chance at TFR is by measuring the time it takes one to reach MMR. If one arrives quickly to that milestone the better the chances. And fasting may help that process move along more efficiently.

JP

There is some merit in the view that a quickly achieved MMR might improve chances of TFR. It’s really a lot more complicated than that — there are lots of different ways of looking at TFR potential and while it seems there is no single marker to predict success, there might be a bunch of them when looked at together could give a better picture.

I have been at the EHA congress this week, and I have seen at least 3 different TFR prediction methods discussed!

But purely on the “time to MMR” aspect, it goes hand in hand with BCR::ABL1 halving time. This paper is easy to read and explains it.

https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/144/Supplement%201/6605/528111...

David.

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