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Des and Basil

Hello all fellow CML brothers and sisters,
I would just like to draw you attention to the results that Des and myself are experiencing.
We have both ceased taking Gleevec due to to side effects that became intollerable.
Des is in his 10th month and Iam in my 9th month post Gleevec.
We both have maintained our PCRU status and I believe that we are to a degree pioneers in the unknown.
I am not on any kind of trial and live from month to month in unchartered territory especially in South Africa.(Very few of us here)
The common factor is that we were PCRU for a number of years prior to our discontinuance of treatment.
I was on Interferon Alpha for a couple of months prior to Gleevec, but the side effects nearly killed me. This confirms the findings of the French trial that ex Interferon Alpha patients remained PCRU for a longer period after stopping Gleevec.
But what I can't find is what ongoing results they have achieved.
My last results were:
BCR-ABL 9-22 Qualatative Not detected
BCR-ABL EndPT 0
ABL EndPt 446
BCR-ABL 0.00024 %
BCR/ABL: ABL Ratio 0.00000

My cell count summary:
Normal red cell indicies
Absolute leucocyte values are normal
Platelets are adequate. (Result: 229 x 10^9/L Refernce: 150 - 450)

My next QRT-PCR test will be at the beginning of April 2010.
I stress that the above information is based on my personal experience and will differ from patient to patient.
Blessings to all my fellow "Club" members
Basil

BTW. I was diagnosed in May 2003.

Dear Basil,
this is good news.... 9 months is pretty good and looks like you might well hold on to PCRu status without imatinib. If you want to know the ongoing results of the French study then you will have to wait until they publish the next phase. I know that there are quite a few other centres who are doing this with some of their patients but I am not sure it is a large cohesive study yet.
Your could write to one of the CML specialists and ask. I will send you Dr. Mahon's email as he might be willing to talk to you given you are doing this outside of a study.
Does your doctor contact any of the CML specialists? I will include some other contact information when I email you.

See below - STIM study which Dr. Mahon leads.

Great news Basil....
best wishes,
Sandy

STIM Study Examines Sustainability of Complete Molecular Response After Stopping Imatinib in CML
Elsevier Global Medical News. 2010 Jan 13, P Wendling

NEW ORLEANS (EGMN) - Complete molecular response can be sustained after stopping imatinib in some patients with chronic myeloid leukemia.

The finding emerged from updated results in the Stopping Imatinib (STIM) study. Although discontinuation is possible even in those treated with single-agent imatinib (Gleevec), lead researcher Dr. Francois-Xavier Mahon recommends discontinuation only in a clinical trial with strict molecular monitoring.

"Is it possible to predict which category of patients may benefit from discontinuation? Not yet, but it is in progress," he said at the annual meeting of the American Society of Hematology. "Male patients with a low Sokal risk and cytotoxic natural killer cells in peripheral blood would be good candidates."

The STIM study was launched in July 2007, after a pilot study in 15 patients showed that most relapses occur during the first 6 months of discontinuation from imatinib - a finding that has held up with a median follow-up of 42.5 months.

STIM has enrolled more than 100 patients, with 21-month follow-up data now available for 69. Overall, 34 patients had been previously treated with interferon and 35 were de novo. They had a median age of 63 years, 26 were male, and prior to enrollment all had complete molecular remission (CMR) for at least 2 years under imatinib treatment.

In all, 40 patients have relapsed (defined as loss of CMR) within the first 6 months of discontinuing imatinib and 1 patient relapsed at month 7, with most relapses occurring in months 2 and 3, said Dr. Mahon of the Université Victor Segalen in Bordeaux, France. The probability of being in CMR at 12 months was 41%.

The probability of being in CMR was not significantly different between the patients who were pretreated with interferon and the de novo patients (47% vs. 34%), with relapses occurring in 53% and 66%, respectively.

The probability of being in CMR was 55% for patients with low risk based on their Sokal score, 36% for those at intermediate risk, and 14% for high-risk patients (P less than .06). Six of seven high-risk patients relapsed, he said.

Despite fewer males in the study, the probability of being in remission at 12 months was significantly higher at 58% for men vs. 30% for women (P = .02). The investigators also observed that the number of mature natural killer cells (mainly CD56 dim cells) at imatinib discontinuation was significantly lower in relapse vs. nonrelapse patients (P = .02).

Dr. Mahon noted that the kinetics of remission may be quite different from one patient to the next, but stressed that all patients were sensitive after imatinib rechallenge and regained CMR.

During a discussion of the study, the investigators were asked whether patients suffer anxiety when stopping imatinib therapy. Dr. Mahon responded that they were happy because side effects disappeared, although it was pointed out by the audience that most side effects should be minimal in patients who were already treated with imatinib for 2 years.

A low risk of progression was observed after 8 years of follow-up in IRIS (International Randomized Study of Interferon and STI571), which helped establish imatinib as the front-line therapy for chronic myeloid leukemia in the chronic phase. At the 8-year data cutoff, 45% of the 553 patients who were randomized to first-line imatinib had discontinued treatment.

Freedom from progression to accelerated phase or blast crisis (AC/BC) was 92% at 8 years. Moreover, the annual rates of progression to AC/BC in years 4-8 were 0.9%, 0.5%, 0%, 0%, and 0.4%, respectively, Dr. Michael Deininger of the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, reported in a poster
(Blood 2009;114:abstract 1126).

That's great news! well done - I'm going to tell my doctor about it - he's got quite a few patients in the stopping Glivec trial & if I stay PCR-U until july, I can participate if I want to - in fact I've been PCR-U for over 3 years but have had 2 minor positives during this time. Particpants in this study get their bloods done once a month & as soon as there is a slight increase they restart their Glivec.

Thank you very much for the information you sent me as well as the above post.
I am very interested to also find out about the vaccine under development that Des mentioned.
There are so many options opening for CML patients of late. We are truly a blessed bunch.
Keep up the great work.
Basil

Good luck to you guys, and my deepest 'thanks' for having the guts to try. It gives me long term hope, I have only been on Gleevec for 5 months so I have a long way to go still, but if there is a possibility that I can be Gleevec free some time in the future, something to really look forward to.